President Joe Biden called for a de-escalation in political rhetoric but kept up criticism of former President Donald Trump on Monday, in Biden’s first interview since a Saturday assassination attempt on Trump.
Talking to NBC News anchor Lester Holt, Biden said he called the injured Trump on Saturday to convey his well wishes.
But he argued to Holt that Trump, whom Republicans officially nominated as their presidential candidate at their convention Monday, remains a threat to U.S. democracy who routinely employed violent rhetoric and led an attempt to overturn the results of the 2020 election.
Biden said it was a mistake to use the word “bullseye” on a call with Democratic donors last week, when telling them to concentrate on the Republican candidate instead of the fallout from Biden’s poor debate performance.
Many elected officials and fundraisers after the debate wondered if Biden should withdraw from his reelection campaign.
“I meant focus on him,” Biden said of Trump. “Focus on what he’s doing. Focus on his policies.”
The former president survived a shooting on Saturday that killed one person and left two others injured at a campaign rally in Butler, Pennsylvania. The gunman was killed at the scene.
Biden said he did not intentionally use violent rhetoric, but did not apologize or back down from his criticisms of Trump as a “threat to democracy.”
“How do you talk about the threat to democracy, which is real, when a president says things like he says?” Biden said.
“I’m not engaged in that rhetoric,” Biden said. “My opponent is engaged in that rhetoric, talking about there will be a bloodbath if he loses.”
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He also noted Trump said he would commute the sentences of those convicted for attacking the U.S. Capitol on Jan. 6, 2021, and mocked then-House Speaker Nancy Pelosi’s husband after he was assaulted by a man with a hammer during a home invasion.
“This doesn’t sound like you’re turning down the heat,” Holt said.
Biden responded that some ideas that Trump champions — continuing to challenge the 2020 election results despite losing in dozens of court cases, demanding a loyalty pledge from Republicans, calling political opponents “vermin” and saying he would be a dictator on day one of a second term — were antithetical to democracy.
Biden focused especially on the Jan. 6 attack, when a mob of Trump supporters sought to stop Congress and Vice President Mike Pence from certifying Biden’s 2020 victory over then-President Trump.
“When you say there’s nothing wrong with going to the Capitol, breaking in, threatening people, a couple cops dying, putting up a noose and gallows for the former vice president, and then you say you’re going to forgive people for that? That you’re going to pardon them?” Biden said.
“Violence is never appropriate,” he said. “Never, never, never, never, never in politics.”
He pledged to “keep talking about the issues” and chastised Holt and the rest of the news media for what he said was a lack of focus on real policy issues.
“Sometime come and talk to me about what we should be talking about, OK? The issues,” Biden said at the close of the roughly 20-minute interview.
Holt asked Biden about the news earlier Monday that Judge Aileen Cannon, a federal judge in South Florida, dismissed the charges against Trump in a case accusing him of improperly storing classified documents from his presidency.
Biden said he felt the decision from a Trump-appointed federal judge was reached in error.
“I’m not surprised,” Biden said. “But my generic point is that … the basis upon which the case was thrown out, I find specious.”
Asked by Holt if he’d “weathered the storm” of Democratic discontent over his June 27 debate performance that shook confidence in his candidacy, Biden said he was staying in the race, citing his victories in primaries and caucuses that didn’t see a serious challenge to his reelection.
“Look, 14 million people voted for me to be the nominee in the Democratic Party, OK?” Biden said. “I listen to them.”
Biden again conceded he’d “had a bad, bad night” at the debate, but told Holt that news reports should have paid more attention to Trump’s performance.
“I screwed up,” Biden said. “Why didn’t the press cover all the lies he told?”
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Asked about comments from senior members of his party in Congress, including Pelosi and former No. 3 House Democrat Jim Clyburn of South Carolina, seeming to leave open the possibility he could step aside, Biden said he remained ready to campaign on a strong record.
The race remains close even after the poor debate, Biden said. He added that he’s had one of the most successful presidencies since Franklin Roosevelt nearly 100 years ago.
“I’ve gotten more done than any president has in a long, long time in three-and-a-half years, so I’m willing to be judged on that.”
Biden, 81, said he understood the concerns about his age and called it a “legitimate” question” to ask how he would perform over the next four years.
But when Holt asked if Biden was motivated to “get back on the horse” and debate Trump again “in the next few weeks,” Biden pushed back, noting a packed public schedule since the debate.
“I’m on the horse,” he told the interviewer. “Where you been?”
Trump’s choice of U.S. Sen. J.D. Vance of Ohio as his running mate showed that he would surround himself “with people who agree completely with him,” Biden said.
Holt noted Vance has made comments about Biden, but the president urged Holt to examine Vance’s comments about Trump. In 2016, as a private citizen with a somewhat public profile as a businessperson and memoirist, Vance made several harsh comments about Trump.
Biden expressed some frustration that Holt did not seem interested in that history.
“He said some things about me, but see what he said about Trump,” Biden said. “What’s with you guys? Come on, man.”
The president said Vance has endorsed Republican positions to severely restrict abortion, cut taxes on high-income earners and to deny climate change.
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